Is the book burning a hoax or not? On The Puck Show - By N.L. Belardes
I have heard from another source now that the book burning statement was taken out of context. I have also had comments on my blog possibly from friends of parents of the kids whose books were allegedly confiscated and burned. Was it all a joke from a parent trying to be humorous? Oh, it gets better. This was taken from the comment on the fiery blog regarding an alleged book burning. Read on:
More Information: As a friend of the supposed bookburner,I can tell you the truth of the matter. And as a friend of your sources, I can tell you that they took a joking statement out of context & fed it to your ego. As a matter of fact, as I write this response, one of those supposedly burned books sits right in front of me. LOL...
You also fail to mention that the books you provided to be given out to the High School kids at the LAN party get together was actually held at Cornerstone Church on Calloway Dr. The parent in question was under the impression that this was a Christian sponsered event and was a bit upset when the underage youth(your sources)came home with a book full of profanity and descriptions of homesexual encounters. I assume you must be one of those who no longer believe a parent has the right to determine what their minor child is exposed to? Freedom of the press & all? Freedom for your views to be stated? I'll be curious to see how long this response remains on your blog, let's see if you live up to your own values and not censor opposing views. As for the book, I think you paint a good picture of the Gay Community. Where your book fails is this "secret" is not just an issue within Kern County but an issue in the Gay Community as a whole. And as far as the Homophobia comment that's as far from the truth as can be. Both the "bookburner" and myself have friends who consider themselves "Gay". We love the people but do not believe in the lifestyle as Christian Believers. Well, now you have the truth of the situation. Sorry to say but like a lot of today's media, you didn't find out the facts or check your sources and blew a little story out of proportion to get some publicity. Sorry to burst your bubble! Mike
Of course I had to answer Mike's paranoid rant with my own comments:
First off, my source gave me a first person account. If that source lied, then let the truth come out. I'm all for the truth.
As for the homophobic comment, per the source, I had every right to comment on what was told to me.
We're definitely getting different story versions here.
As for the Lords of Bakersfield being a 'gay community issue'? No. There is a difference between the gay community and illegal activities with minors and city government, media, and other folk murdering and taking advantage of a trusting community.
I have to say, if you have gay friends, then you are homophobic if you think gays are into murdering as part of their community... Lords activities are plain illegal wherever they occur, regardless of sexual orientation.
As for the church and minors. Check out what's on your kids' computers and look at what games they're playing and TV shows they are watching... you sure don't have a firm grasp on it.
That's bad parenting.
By the way, the LAN party was at Cornerstone Church, the very same church that approves ultra-violent video games being played on their premises, and punk rock concerts. We're not talking a conservative hair-parted-down-the-side Missionary Baptist environment here. Are you aware of the content of every one of those punk songs and how some of those punk bands condone violence at various venues?
Get a grip. Sexual content in a book as read by paranoid parents paints a more devious picture than the Lords murders themselves.
Just as I was writing my last entry I was called by Preston Nash of The Puck Show. We went live and I talked about the book burning possibly being a hoax. But then I spoke about the real issue being that the Lords of Bakersfield are not your typical gay community, and that the issue is illegal activities allegedly committed by the dastardly group. Puck at one point said, “If some parent is burning your book in the privacy of their home; BFD. If they are burning your books in public, then you have a problem.”
I might be interviewing the alleged ‘book burning’ parent on the matter. Will she call me tomorrow?
Let’s just wait and see…
More Information: As a friend of the supposed bookburner,I can tell you the truth of the matter. And as a friend of your sources, I can tell you that they took a joking statement out of context & fed it to your ego. As a matter of fact, as I write this response, one of those supposedly burned books sits right in front of me. LOL...
You also fail to mention that the books you provided to be given out to the High School kids at the LAN party get together was actually held at Cornerstone Church on Calloway Dr. The parent in question was under the impression that this was a Christian sponsered event and was a bit upset when the underage youth(your sources)came home with a book full of profanity and descriptions of homesexual encounters. I assume you must be one of those who no longer believe a parent has the right to determine what their minor child is exposed to? Freedom of the press & all? Freedom for your views to be stated? I'll be curious to see how long this response remains on your blog, let's see if you live up to your own values and not censor opposing views. As for the book, I think you paint a good picture of the Gay Community. Where your book fails is this "secret" is not just an issue within Kern County but an issue in the Gay Community as a whole. And as far as the Homophobia comment that's as far from the truth as can be. Both the "bookburner" and myself have friends who consider themselves "Gay". We love the people but do not believe in the lifestyle as Christian Believers. Well, now you have the truth of the situation. Sorry to say but like a lot of today's media, you didn't find out the facts or check your sources and blew a little story out of proportion to get some publicity. Sorry to burst your bubble! Mike
Of course I had to answer Mike's paranoid rant with my own comments:
First off, my source gave me a first person account. If that source lied, then let the truth come out. I'm all for the truth.
As for the homophobic comment, per the source, I had every right to comment on what was told to me.
We're definitely getting different story versions here.
As for the Lords of Bakersfield being a 'gay community issue'? No. There is a difference between the gay community and illegal activities with minors and city government, media, and other folk murdering and taking advantage of a trusting community.
I have to say, if you have gay friends, then you are homophobic if you think gays are into murdering as part of their community... Lords activities are plain illegal wherever they occur, regardless of sexual orientation.
As for the church and minors. Check out what's on your kids' computers and look at what games they're playing and TV shows they are watching... you sure don't have a firm grasp on it.
That's bad parenting.
By the way, the LAN party was at Cornerstone Church, the very same church that approves ultra-violent video games being played on their premises, and punk rock concerts. We're not talking a conservative hair-parted-down-the-side Missionary Baptist environment here. Are you aware of the content of every one of those punk songs and how some of those punk bands condone violence at various venues?
Get a grip. Sexual content in a book as read by paranoid parents paints a more devious picture than the Lords murders themselves.
Just as I was writing my last entry I was called by Preston Nash of The Puck Show. We went live and I talked about the book burning possibly being a hoax. But then I spoke about the real issue being that the Lords of Bakersfield are not your typical gay community, and that the issue is illegal activities allegedly committed by the dastardly group. Puck at one point said, “If some parent is burning your book in the privacy of their home; BFD. If they are burning your books in public, then you have a problem.”
I might be interviewing the alleged ‘book burning’ parent on the matter. Will she call me tomorrow?
Let’s just wait and see…
This entry was posted by N.L. Belardes, on
Tuesday, December 27, 2005.
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Hey Nick, It's Mike again... What exactly do you need to convince you of the truth? I gave you the truth, which you dismissed as "a paranoid rant" so what do you need? How about telling us what it will take to have you admit to your public that this whole book burning issue is a lie. You tell us, maybe we can accommodate you. The way I see it, if the truth really came out, which you claim you want, it might end your publicity stunt. So I don't think anything will convince you of the truth. By the way, your attack on the church was a little over the top, it kind of proves to me your real underlying motives. Since we're talking conspiracy theory's here, let me take a few lines from your own book. Pg.87 "I have an idea, sir." "Oh?" We could throw some salt on the wound." "Oh we could? How?" "Since the people here are so apocalyptic and Christian-minded. Why not throw in something that will devastate them?" "Like?" "Something subtle...yet hurtful... Nick, what it looks like to me is your taking a page out of your own book and your book is an attempt to throw salt on the wounds of Bakersfield, and maybe your thoughtful gesture of giving away your profanity filled book to underage kids at a Christian Church was a subtle attempt to garner controversy & publicity for your book. I don't know, maybe this is just a conspiracy theory from a paranoid ranter. Also, taking a look at your web page & your eerie letters & the attacks on your vehicles and home. I’m sure you have filed police reports of all that damage right? You wouldn’t mind giving us the police report record #'s on those incidents so we can know if it’s true or not. Police reports are public records. The public has a right to find out for themselves right? Or are these incidents on your website just more hype to further the conspiracy theory & publicity for your book? What’s the truth? By the way, You attacked punk rock bands along with the church? My “sources” tell me that YOUR SON is a member of a punk band. Is my source correct? I’ve got to admit that I’m actually stepping over my own boundries here with this little fiasco, even debating this issue with you, but I do not take kindly to a dear friend of mine being vilified and lied about on the radio and on your website. And as far as the book burning goes, we are Christians and we are tired of the media and the “educated elite” providing our children with garbage that we do not believe in. You have every right to write your books but you have no right to distribute them to our underage children without our consent. We Christians are tired of standing back and taking it and I for one am going to let my thoughts be known. As far as the interview goes, the parent and I are discussing it. We haven’t decided if we should continue to feed your little publicity stunt. We have God as our vindicator so we really have no need to debate this. I think the best thing that could happen is that your “sources” need to post and admit the truth on your blog and we will see if you publish them. GUY’S, I’M TALKING TO YOU. STRAIGHTEN THIS MESS OUT RIGHT NOW ON THIS BLOG. I HOPE YOU REALIZE WHAT YOUR LITTLE PRANK HAS DONE. YOU HAVE HURT SOMEONE THAT LOVES YOU. FIX IT!
Nick, I have nothing personal against you but using hurtful untruths to further your book sales just proves my belief in a corrupt media. So live up to your own words and publish these comments & any statements from your "sources" or you will only have your own conscience to deal with knowing it's all a lie.
Mike
Who is the real looser here? You might at first thought think it is the kids, no matter which side of the Christian debate you sit on. The kids lost because they were given an inappropriate book, or the kids lost because they had a book taken away, a prize no less. But, the real looser is the parents. They lost the opportunity to test their ability to teach their Christian values. They lost the opportunity to teach their children to reason and think. They lost the opportunity to educate and be educated.
I have always been apposed to the concept of Christian control. Lucky for me Jesus was also against the idea of Religious control. “Woe to you pharisees,” he preached, “hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in” (Mat 23:13). Control in the guise of false righteousness. It was Christ desire that his followers think and reason about their actions, thus he taught in parables.
What if these parents had seized the opportunity to discuss this book with their children. What if these parents had seized the opportunity to read this book and reason it's content on their own. It could do nothing more than strengthen their Christian resolve, and generate a bond with their children. These children would have felt the great joy in the thought that their parents had begun to think of them as young adults, that their opinions mattered. These parents would have had a glimpse into their children's thought process, a test of their ability to apply their Christian teaching.
If the books truly have not been burned (which is silly in these days, books are too accessible for burning them to be effective) the opportunity is not lost.
--rs
There you go casting stones again.
I Attacked a church? No I didn't. I pointed out truths. Attacking a church would have been attacking Christian principles which I could do but won't.
Are you not aware that my book is fiction? Are you not aware that authors promote books to people who could walk into Borders and buy them?
So, let me get this straight. As a church you welcome gamers of devilish fantasy, and war games where kids can pretend to be Nazis and blast Allied skulls, and welcome punk bands with anarchic and often violent rebellious views, but not an author's works against illegal activities against children with topics of homosexuality and corrupt government and media?
So, Jesus excluded folks from his fold to potentially evangelize because of controversial sexual topics? Or is that just you?
Did I not come out and say the book burning is possibly not true?
Yes, my kid makes punk songs but he doesn't play at Jerry's Pizza and tell people to hurt each other.
And if you haven't figured out that my site is a marketing engine with a Blair Witch style fun element then you are just painting yourself into a corner as a paranoid Christian parent who somehow thinks my book is going to bite your kids or turn them gay. Didn't you say you have gay friends? How do you know they are gay? You must talk sexual orientation with them. Sounds like a private matter to ask of people. Yet, you can talk to gays, but your kid can't read about how evil gays might try to prey on them? Sounds contradictory.
Once again, if your church can have punk bands and ultra-violence in video games, then you're simply judging a book that you don't/won't/refuse to understand.
And furthermore, folks come to my blog to be entertained with truth and gossip. My readers like to have fun reading about art and issues.
If you don't like my book getting publicity, you should stop writing about it...
By the way, I don't have anything against you either.
:)
How many of those things have You sold?
you go, n.l.! i support your arguments 100%. i so totally agree with ric soard as well about these "parents" missing a prime opportunity to communicate with their children. it's ashame this Mike is not being open-minded as a true christian should be...
Nate Berg is still the best thing to ever happen to this NL site.....
This so called "Burning" did not happen I am one of the main sources (Slayer/Aaron) I said that she might have burned them I never said she did, I am very sorry about this "rumor". This "rumor" is just a big lie, it did NOT ever happen. I have the book sitting on my desk. My Apologies to Nick, and anyone else I have hurt. I didnt mean for this to happen.
Sorry...
Sincerely,
Aaron/Slayer
Jesus Christ! Can I buy a few books so I can light the fucking things on fire myself? Your all starting to sound like a bunch of crybaby homosexuals. Not that there is anything wrong with being a crybaby homo, but have you ever heard a group of them together? You have now.
How many do you want, Kenny? hahahaha...
Hey, the mom never called me, and I still have seen no pics of the books... I wonder what really happened... maybe the Lords of Bakersfield confiscated them...
Nick, I commend you for posting the reply of one of your sources stating the truth of the book burning matter. Will you post this? It’s obvious and I know you like to debate and you’re a well educated individual. It just so happens I love to debate also, although being only a high school graduate I may not have the exceptional style of prose you fine authors use. I just try to apply common sense to situations and usually that is all one needs to make educated decisions. I believe that sometimes the highly educated get so wound up trying to analyze things that they completely lose sight of common sense. Then you have those who have little education & no common sense either. Those are the one’s I call “blind followers” and just follow whatever’s popular at the moment without really thinking about or debating an issue within themselves, they just accept whatever the “cool” people say or whatever’s popular.
I would just like to make a few statements in regards to some of the comments you and your blog readers make towards the Church and Christians in general. First, it is a mistake to lump all churches and all Christians together. Christians are people, they make mistakes, is there anyone who hasn’t made a mistake in their life? There are hypocritical & fanatical Christians all over the place, just as there are hypocritical and fanatical types of all kinds. Does that mean that all of them should be labeled or stereotyped? It’s pretty simple, if you get a counterfeit $20 dollar bill, does that mean you never use or accept another $20 dollar bill? Common sense say’s no, “that would be stupid”. Well sadly that’s the mistake so many people make when it comes to Christians & Christianity. As for the church that held the punk rock concert & the violent gaming events & failed to screen what was being given out to minors. Maybe they just made an honest mistake or maybe they have compromised Christian principals in trying to bring in more young people. If they have compromised then it’s no surprise to me that they are getting all this bad publicity. God say’s in the bible: Luke 12: 1-2 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
So, If that church has compromised the teachings of God, maybe that’s what all this is about. God will not let wrong doing continue in his church. He’s exposing it & telling them to get their act together. This is just how God works. Not only may He be sending a church a message, He’s sending a message to these boy’s to watch what they say & who they say it to, & what they get involved in. Maybe He’s sending you a message also? Contrary to what has been posted on this blog, true Christian people will discuss topics such as your book with their children. They don’t need to use the vile foul language & descriptive language you do in your book. You infer that you are trying to warn about the dangers of evil gays. (your words) and we Christians won’t let our kids read a book about it. Well, I’m afraid it’s not your responsibility to warn our kids about it & determine what our kids can read. We can teach our kids about it without the filth & without trying to vilify police departments, city governments and other leaders cart blanche like your book seems to do. We can explain to them that there are evil people in the world but not all people are evil. Don’t stereotype. Don’t judge all by the actions of a few. You see, I put our young people, OUR children, (and a lot of adults) into the blind follower category. Education & common sense comes from experiencing life. Not all by reading it in a book or being taught something in a classroom. By the way, remember you stated your book is fiction, so what’s to warn about? You sound Liberal to me, You want it both ways. It is, but it isn’t. Laughing… I’m glad your warning us about those Hollywood types & powerful people & how they prey on the young & uninformed. By the way, didn’t you say your book is being turned into a major motion picture? Do you still want to see a picture of those books? I might be able to arrange something, you never know? Please post, Don’t censor this because it has scriptures or talks about God, you posted scripture from one of your other posters, Ric Soard, and I do have to agree with Rick, Jesus hated religion & so do I. Religon is what keeps people from the truth of God. Where Ric falls short is he takes some teaching of Christ but yet ignores the other about maintaining clean language, purity etc… He contradicts himself. He must be liberal… want’s it both ways. Laughing… Stand for your beliefs one way or the other… you can’t compromise, our you stand for nothing…
1 Cor. 1:13 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Mike
Oh come now Mikey. You are sounding like a liberal Christian up there on your pulpit and pulling verses like teeth from the bible. You can't bite with a hand full of broken teeth now can you? You're going to leave the bible all full of holes like your logic.
I don't think I was ever saying to use my book in the schools to educate kids, and I don't think I ever said a parent doesn't have the right to be the big daddy guide in their kid's life and not let them read certain books...
You are missing the point.
You have me all wrong, you have my kid all wrong (He's guilty of writing one hockey song. The poor kid should burn in hell, I know), you have my book all wrong, you have some strange judgemental attitude against educated people, yet you yourself act educated on the bible. If you don't like education, why study anything? Might as well just sit and stare at a wall. You also have my views of the church wrong, my political views wrong, and, oh man, you're making me tired...
Where's the parents and the photos of the books with the big charcoal marks on the side...?
That's what I want to see, not a sermon from Mike's Version of the Light.
And if you weren't alive when Jesus supposedly got angry in the temple, how do you know he didn't use the equivalent of the word, "F***"? Clean language. You can't define clean. It's all perspective and cultural acceptance of what words are clean or not. You're sitting in an American bubble and judging.
Even if the good man J did use a curse word, which I am sure he did, I doubt if thousands of years of the bible being poked and prodded by governments, monks, and old grannies, that such words would have stayed in the bible.
Your version of 'clean' words ignores the very fact of how kids talk...
Yes that is beside the point as you ignore subjects like Nazis and fascism in video games and ultra-violence, which since you aren't discussing, must somehow write-off as clean behavior in God's temple...
ay, I give up...
:)
Oh Nick, I haven’t had this much fun in quite awhile. Your definitely good at the spin. Definitely good at taking a persons words and re-translating them to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Let’s take a look at the text of the blog here.” All cut & pasted”
NL “Attacked a church? No I didn't. I pointed out truths. Attacking a church would have been attacking Christian principles which I could do but won't”
NL “By the way, the LAN party was at Cornerstone Church, the very same church that approves ultra-violent video games being played on their premises, and punk rock concerts. We're not talking a conservative hair-parted-down-the-side Missionary Baptist environment here. Are you aware of the content of every one of those punk songs and how some of those punk bands condone violence at various venues?”
NL “Did I fail to mention that any church allowing punk and violent games on their premises are in reality utilizing such for their own publicity stunt to potentially attract youth into their fold?”
NL “As for the church and minors. Check out what's on your kids' computers and look at what games they're playing and TV shows they are watching... you sure don't have a firm grasp on it”
NL “That's bad parenting.”
# posted by n.l. : 6:36 PM
NL “I don't think I was ever saying to use my book in the schools to educate kids, and I don't think I ever said a parent doesn't have the right to be the big daddy guide in their kid's life and not let them read certain books...
NL “Sounds like a private matter to ask of people. Yet, you can talk to gays, but your kid can't read about how evil gays might try to prey on them? Sounds contradictory.”
Mike says: Nick, If you don't mean that parents are wrong for not letting them read your book then what are you saying? Yes, your statements do sound contradictory! Laughing…
NL “Oh come now Mikey. You are sounding like a liberal Christian up there on your pulpit and pulling verses like teeth from the bible. You can't bite with a hand full of broken teeth now can you? You're going to leave the bible all full of holes like your logic”
Mike says: “ Whats that statement supposed to mean?.”
It took you 50 words just to call me an idiot, that’s what higher education gets you. Why not just call me an idiot & be done with it. It’s a lot less keystrokes but I guess that beautiful verbage makes it all worth while. That education sure comes in handy!
NL states: “You have me all wrong, you have my kid all wrong (He's guilty of writing one hockey song. The poor kid should burn in hell, I know), you have my book all wrong, you have some strange judgemental attitude against educated people, yet you yourself act educated on the bible. If you don't like education, why study anything? Might as well just sit and stare at a wall. You also have my views of the church wrong, my political views wrong, and, oh man, you're making me tired...”
Mike concerning NL’s son “My sources tell me that YOUR SON is a member of a punk band. Is my source correct?”
And by the way NL, You got me wrong on the education thing. At the risk of sounding like I’m bragging, I’ll state this so you have a little better understanding. I’m currently enrolled at both BC & CSUB. I’m a straight A student at CSUB but unfourtunatley I got a B in one of my classes at Community college level. Working towards a couple degrees myself. I share this so you will know I do take education seriously but I don’t pride myself in it. I take a simple approach at everything I do. Oh, and the ultra violent gaming. Truth be told Nick I have no children, but I am involved with many youth and am fully aware of the gaming. Ask your sources what the “book burning” mother & I tell the kids about their time with the games” Ask them about the deadbolt on the door so that their time spent on those games can be monitored and a balance maintained. Yes, even we Christians live in reality Nick.
By the way, the kids said your punk rock writing son had a good time at the LAN gaming party!
NL “As for the church and minors. Check out what's on your kids' computers and look at what games they're playing and TV shows they are watching... you sure don't have a firm grasp on it”
NL “Are you aware of the content of every one of those punk songs and how some of those punk bands condone violence at various venues?”
NL “That's bad parenting.”
# posted by n.l. : 6:36 PM
OK, Cut & Paste me if your up to it? Its late, time to sleep.
Have a good one Nick. God Bless. Mike
My family having fun at the LAN party just proves my point...
As for your education. Why lambast education then show off what kind of grades you get?
You're just not getting that your church accepts an ultra degree of violence that includes Nazi perspectives in violent game play, yet talks about my book being filthy? That is the crux of the debate: they're both filthy to a degree. Only, the book you use your imagination, yet in the game you see Germans obliterate Allies.
I now declare this debate at an end. We're not getting anywhere.
Have a good one...
And go burn some books. You might feel better...
Or maybe they already were... I haven't seen the proof promised to me.
:)
Hey.. So it was a hoax read this .. www.xfclan.com/blog
Sincerely,
Aaron/Slayer
The truth comes out. Good to see the book burning never happened. The book burning mom was very polite; we had a great conversation about parents, kids and non-coincidental meetings... I wonder what will happen with those books now...
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