Preston Nash helps get the word out about the Jaz McKay Show through Bakersfield soldier story - By N.L. Belardes
What does this message mean to you?
Just got this email announcement from Preston Nash over at KNZR. Check it out, read the news story, and then jump into a conversation here...
The Jaz McKay Show on 1560 KNZR, the radio show I
produce here in Bakersfield, has made national news
regarding a local Iraq war vet and a controversial
decal he has on his truck which had prompted many
calls from other local vets...anyway go to
cnn.com and about half way down the page in
their video section, click on the one that says
"Soldier slammed for decal" and check it out. It also
made the local ABC news, if you want to check that
out, go here.
And if you want to hear more of what we do you can
hear some segments on myspace.
peace
Preston
Interviewed on CNN, ex-Army Ranger Sgt. Matthew Gonzalez said, "I'm proud to be a vet... but being a Catholic I acknowledge that I committed sins..."
Is he calling you a sinner, just speaking out for himself... or?
What do you think about this photo? Should the soldier have been complained about?
Labels: 23 News, Bakersfield, blog, controversy, Iraq, Jaz McKay, news, soldier
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Wednesday, March 07, 2007.
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I've driven by that guy before. I had to laugh. I see it as follows:
He's probably a born-again Christian type who happens to also be a devout conservative bent on the whole 'fighting for freedom' deal that many unfortunate folks were convinced of in going to war.
If it is indeed intended to be a Christian based message, bringing the fight for 'freedom' into it strays a bit from the teachings of Christ. If I'm not mistaken, nationalism was eradicated by Christ in favor of a better heavenly mission/cause.
I don't see why anyone should get angry over this guy's sticker, let him do what he wishes... It's a conflicting message that I'm sure he's battling demons over.
Leave the guy alone, and mash down the redneck mentality! Repent you sinners!
I've driven by him. The fact that he's Catholic has less to do with this than his political beliefs regarding the war, and he shouldn't pretend (see: hide behind his religion) otherwise.
It also further illustrates how Catholic's don't bother even reading their bibles. If he had, he wouldn't have asserted that killing on the battlefield is sin, because his bible clearly states that it is not. Repeatedly.
I can see how people could get upset about the sticker though. It's thought provoking in the way it can be read multiple ways. Deep thought isn't typically a Bakersfield trademark, so grunts and grumbles probably abound.
Obviously he didn't agree with the war, and he didn't like killing people. If he's truly dealing with it internally, then it's his internal struggle. Should it be on the back of his truck? It's his truck. He can do what he wants.
Can you think he's a dumbass for it? You bet you can. Join the crowd.
Direct link to the video:
http://tinyurl.com/3yqn7s
Unless of course it was all tongue 'n cheek as a friend had suggested to me...although with that turnto23 interview, it seems like it's a pretty serious deal to him.
I'm not exactly pro-Christian, but this is America, and we do, supposedly, still have the freedom to express ourselves.
Furthermore, this guy went to war. War sucks. He's got a right to feel lousy ... you might feel lousy too if you'd been in a war. Soldiers go through all kinds of horrors. They see all kinds of horrific things. He's allowed to deal with it in his own way. He's not hurting anyone.
But it's obvious that he, himself, is hurting.
Maybe this should be a message to all of us to be more sensitive to our war vets ... they suffer a great deal inside and they aren't encouraged by the military to be honest about that. They aren't given a lot of help. Maybe we could all be a little kinder and a little less quick to judge.
I wonder too. If you're a catholic you repent to God, or through confession, not on the back of your truck. Unless trucks have become confessionals.
I think it's a political statement veiled as a personal one. But that's just my opinion.
There are many ways to look at this issue: internal struggle, political disagreement...
If you have a guilty conscience, that alone can be construed as a sin. Guilt is erosive and unhealthy. Perhaps his sin is in the act of feeling he did wrong.
Wow, I think I agree with Jen Raven. Very true. Support the vets! They hurt in many ways that we don't understand!
Mike, I see it as the exact opposite. There are a lot of elements here, however I think it's very simple…
In my opinion, this soldier was simply stating that he doesn't support the pretense for the war and admits that killing is a sin. Period. I don’t think he was trying to make excuses for killing people “for freedom”, but rather stating it tongue-in-cheek.
I don't think he had any "cowboy, conservative, born again" agenda, but rather a humble Catholic-Christian admitting wrong doing. A bold statement that needs to be stated more often since these boys and girls were convinced (lied to) of going into war on a moral pretense, but it turned out to be quite the opposite. More power to him!
Mike C. vs. Brian B.? Only on Paperback Writer.
It's good to have dialogue.
Coffee anyone?
:)
brian b,
Only problem with that is in his own words (read interview). He states that he'd go back there if called....a hint at the 'freedom' side of things being serious, and not tongue n cheek...
His statement seems to follow the category of the old 'necessary evil' reasoning. Emphasis on 'necessary'...is it necessary? is there a huge threat to freedom? no.
killing sucks.
war bites the big one.
both are a part of life.
so is expressing yourself.
Kudos to him, wether he's "right" or "wrong"
and I love Jenraven's take on it. Our vets need our support. War and killing can't possibly be good for the soul. This guy is torn up over what to think and doesn't need negativity from us. After all he did fight for our freedom, wether he agreed with it or not.
7 bates! Hahaha. Could you be any more ignorant???
“…further illustrates how Catholic's don't bother even reading their bibles”
Hmmm, let’s think about this one for a moment. Just the ignorance of your completely irrelevant comment alone denies you the warrant for a reply. But, nah, let’s hold you accountable shall we?!!? Dust off your Bible because you missed a part! The Christian Bible teaches differences of “just” and “unjust” wars, in which you are either defending yourself from direct attack or you’re picking the fight out of revenge. So potentially, killing in war can be just as much or a sin as it is not.
Mike,
Yes indeed his statement about going to back to war in a heartbeat is very contradictory. I definitely agree with you there. He may have been trying to make both sides happy by adding that comment. But either way, I’d like to think he thinks of his JOB as a soldier no more than that. He doesn’t seem to be PRO “fighting for freedom”, but just doing it because that’s what he’s been sent to do from a job standpoint. But then again, I’m not sure exactly where he stands.
The sticker's fine as long as he leaves out the "for our freedom" part. Unless of course you count liberating hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people from their physical bodies as "freedom".
I'm beginning to wonder when the Chinese and Russians might come up with a plan to "free Amerika" from our self-appointed dictator - George Bush. Invasive home searches, checkpoints, martial law..wow I wonder how Americans would act under those circumstances.
Wake up all my conservative friends who blindly follow patriotism...we are the bad guys now..I wish it wasn't so. We invaded under a false pretense and we are not leaving without the oil contracts.
Yah, the whole "catholics don't read their bibles" slam was uncalled for.
John, how thin of a line it is between 'defending yourself from direct attack' and 'seeking revenge'. When it comes to a singular mano e mano battle, the differences are obvious...when a military under confused leadership is involved, not so much.
Going to another country with a preeminate attack is tough to cite as 'defense'. Once you have invaded the country, and people attempt to attack you, surely that's 'defense', but it's part of the bigger whole of the hugely offensive military move.
While the Bible does cite "just wars", I don't see how it is possible for any fallible human being, particularly a leader, to justify any of his war actions claiming them to be abiding by God's word of 'using leaders to fight evil', etc. We seem to live in a time where many born agains think they are a prophet, and miracles are mundane matters...I suppose that was a protestant style approach trying to be furthest from catholocism. Unfortunately it takes the mysticism out of the religion.
Amen! Well said anonymous person, well said. Scary times we're in.
I take back the brief words I sated on 'Is there a threat to our freedom? no'
Food for Thought:
Did the biggest threat to our freedom come from outside sources (Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Al Qaeda), or the American Government (Patriot Act, Extraordinary Rendition)?
Govt would say they were 'forced' to limit our freedom, because of these outside sources, therefore it is ultimately the outside source's fault. I'm beginning to believe that the color-coded threat meter was nothing more than a test to see how gullible American citizens are.
In the many great words of Michael Franti:
"This is not a war on terror, it's a war on peace"
"You can bomb the world to peaces, but you can't bomb it into peace"
And he's got plenty more where that came from. Let's "Yell Fire" baby! Check out Michael Franti and Spearhead:
http://www.myspace.com/spearheadvibrations
I think it's good that the sticker exists. It gets people to think, and to form an opinion. There are too many people who just don't care about terrorism, war, 9-11, Oklahoma City bombings, Baghdad Market Bombings, Bali, London and Spanish bombings, the shoe bomber, and so on...
Maybe the sticker was just to make people think and to form an opinion. And that is good. It's in people's faces. I think that takes bravery to be willing to be ridiculed.
Franti's political anthems are definitely hard hitting and 'deep', but I can't help but smile when hearing some of his other less-serious tuns such as Ganja Babe:
Heavy medicine
ya see,
my eyes are feeling red again
I'm bringin' light
like Thomas funky Edison
-------------------
I bet that's one nickname Edison never heard in his lifetime.
It's great to hear everyone chime in on this...the one thing the TV coverage didn't really show is that after Matt was able to explain himself in detail (we had him on the air for almost an hour), many of the vets who first called in pissed off, called back and understood. They think Matt's conflicted internally, and as vets who may have killed in the line of duty, they DO NOT feel as if they sinned...and neither do I, or Jaz!!! But Matt's served his country, I didn't see or do what he has experienced over there (he was there when they pulled Saddam from the spiderhole!), so far be it from me to judge his truck decal. I respect him as a vet, and if he feels like he needs to make a public confession via a truck decal, that's his right, and he's fought for it. I hope other vets who see it cut him some slack and don't take Matt's statement that he sinned as a reflection that all soldiers who kill in the line of duty are sinners...I don't think that was Matt's intention.
If you think this topic was interesting, try checking out the Jaz McKay Show on 1560 KNZR from noon til 3 every weekday...you can hear it all before 23 ABC or CNN covers it...
Excellent point, Preston. Much honor to all the vets who have served and who continue to do so.
I once received a letter from famed military historian John Keegan of The London Daily Telegraph. He has written many books on war, and has taught at prestiges universities, including military universities. We were writing about something we had in common: He and I never went to war.
As Preston indicates, we don't know. We weren't there.
I'm thinking I would be a torn man though upon my return from such a horrific battlefield though.
Speaking personally, my perception of one's cognitive abilities always seems to suffer, once I find out that that person is "religious".
In any case, I applaud this guy for donning that sticker, regardless of his reasoning....To me, it brings up a good point; that war is one of the most horrible things a man can experience in his lifetime, and the powers that be are WAY too casual when it comes to the decision to send other men into harms way (let alone the repurcussions those decisions have on the affected civilains).
As far as I'm concerned, there isn't a punishment big enough for this administration, or the administrations that sent us to Vietnam, Korea, etc...
Another war, and ALL we have to show for it is a few thousand dead GI's, a few tens of thousand dead Iraqi civilains, and a few choice multimillionaires got even richer.
What ISN'T criminal about that?
*John B
This one's original..
"It also further illustrates how Catholic's don't bother even reading their bibles." - 7 bates
Catholic bashing.
"Only on Paperback Writer."
nyuk, nyuk..
Matt
WWW.BAKOTOPIA.COM
Don't forget to catch me on KRAB tomorrow morning 3/8 at 9am with Meathead and Rocky to talk Bako music!
I used to tell my students that I would be sure to offend everyone in class... equal opportunity offensive professor...
I think I agree with Jen. We should respect our vets. I have seen this guy sticker before and that is a bold statement. I think the comment about Catholics not reading their bibles is a little harsh, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think that war sucks ass and I respect every vet I see. But it is kinda funny to see others get pissed off about others opinions.
Did I mention I smack around seniors?
Hectic Rick!
Rick,
Was it an "opinion", or was it an ignorant propagandistic stereotype?
This is why blogs are funny! Everyone here is basically making the same statement about the war. And after 28 comments of debate, the only discrepancy is the original question at hand! lol. Good times! I don't guess there is ever a purpose in debating seeing that everyone's mind is already made up :)
I was born and raised Catholic, and I don't ever recall a sermon or Catechism class where bashing another's religion or beliefs was part of the lesson. Is that what Protestants do?
I wonder if Protestants read their bibles, and follow what Jesus said in: John 15:9-12 (don't worry, it doesn't matter which version you have, it's still the same message)
To all of my Protestant brothers and sisters out there, remember we Catholics are just as Christian as you, so don't start getting all Swaggart on us. Remember what happened to that guy? HYPOCRITA!
"Only on Papernovelbacktownnlzowiereviewbelardeswriter.com"
Oi, my mind spinning now! What am I supposed to call you anyway?
I'm gonna go have an ice cold hate-free Catholic approved beer. Thank Ye!
Matt
www.bakotopia.com
It's a healthy debate. Not too many stones have been cast, er, I mean, when compared to past blogs... What was the original question anyways, oh yes, "Should the soldier have been compained about?"
No.
As for Matt. Shut up and buy me some Luigis! :)
respect the vets... we don't know what they've gone through...
there is a commandment that simply states, "You Shall Not Kill." just or unjust... who's to judge?
killing happens whether it's for survival, freedom, revenge or an accident.
free speech, religion and the freedome to choose - it's a right. leave it be.
Cooked and done! Luigi's sounds good! Let's all go and discuss the meaning of life, shall we? haha j/k
There is a little old thing called freedom of speach. He has his beliefs, and feels strongly about them. Who are we to say he's right or wrong? How would any of us feel, put in that type of situation? No one knows, until we are IN that situation. I'm glad he was able to explain himself further.
welcome home soldier...
Man, I totally thought I'd get more flames for bashing "deep thought" in Bakersfield! lol.
And you can cry foul about what I said, but it's true - that's why it sucks.
I don't think it's uncalled for to say Catholics don't read their bibles. It's not a "bash" against a faith. Sure, it's hyperbole and it's a generalization but it's a reality about the body of Christianity across the planet.
If you're Catholic and you're touchy about the subject, that's fine. Mormons are embarrassed by the polygamists in their faith. Southern Baptists are embarrassed by the snake handlers. It's the same thing.
Now I didn't want to make anyone mad in here, I just think that the guy who put this on the back of his truck did it for his own political views, but hid under the protective veil of "faith". As a result, calling bullshit on his actions means that his faith became collateral damage. Much like the people he's so upset about killing.
Oh, then I defended his right to have his views! I mean, the guy DID fight a war for us and even if he hadn't - he could say whatever he wanted. Much like how I can say whatever *I* like about Catholics, bibles, and jackasses.
Oh, and the lack of deep thought.
"I think it's good that the sticker exists. It gets people to think, and to form an opinion ... Maybe the sticker was just to make people think and to form an opinion ..."
Well put NL!
I have a "Defend America Defeat Bush" sticker on the back of my car since the elections. I leave it on for my own personal reason and feeling and will not remove it until he is out of office.
This man's truck decal reminds me of the website after the elections where American's posted photos of themselves holding up signs that said "I'm sorry".
Catholic bashing is bad. Any religion bashing is bad, unless is those crazy Pastafarians. I'm kidding!
Anyway, his truck serves a message, messages are good, they make us think. And like what was said above, he probably is battling his own personal demons - if putting a message out on his truck helps him fight his own personal war, then let him be.
Personally, I like the decal. I saw it one day, it made me think, and I nodded in a bit of agreement and understanding.
Man!!! Did this guy really attempt to defend his ignorance??? Hey 7 Bates… I’ll pray for you! Haha. Wink~
Alrighty bud, obviously you’re not a logical reasoning person. If you would like to claim your statement as your “opinion”, that would be totally fine. But you’re presenting this as if it’s a known fact. Catholics wrote the Bible homie! But wait… they don’t read it??? They don’t base their entire Mass upon readings from both the New and Old Testaments??? They don’t have weekly Bible Studies and/or read their Bibles on a daily basis?????? Geez, that’s weird, because I’m a protestant, but I attend Catholic Church every Sunday because it’s far superior to any of the millions of churches I’ve attended (opinion, not fact).
So, if I understand your logic correctly, it’s OK for me to presume the FACT that you’re an enormously obese wetback? Crazy stuff. It’s a fact because I said it, right?.
“And you can cry foul about what I said, but it's true - that's why it sucks.”
– 7 Bates
Hahaha. Crazy how that works.
All jokes and sarcasm aside, where did you develop your OPINION about Catholics not reading their Bibles? I’d actually really like to know your logic so that some of us who know the truth can help you lay it to rest.
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(Disclaimer: I’m not a racist, nor a judgmental person. I am merely attempting to use extreme examples to prove a point).
Religion is what it is, faith-based, and many with supposed divinely inspired texts that breathe life into believers who study them.
Yet, with every faith there are those who don't study, or just base their views on sermon and discussion interpretations of beliefs/dogma, whatever you want to call it. And some who don't study at all and just attend services, barely if that. Humans are humans. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jews...
I've been guilty of being too harsh on here many times, but I'd like to keep things more civil. I myself am working my way towards become an obese Mexican. My rotund love handles give me away. But no need to point it out.
:)
I will allow 7-Bates one more rebuttal, though I consider the debate pretty much leveled out...
Interesting to read bates 7's comments on a the bible, something he obviously knows little about, let alone being a Catholic. Christian implies Christ, which implies the New Testament for which there is no place where it states that "killing in battle or not" is not a "sin". Holding a grudge against a neighbor is a sin. And that is in Christian bibles by the way. The message on his truck should make you think. If he and others hadn't served in previous wars, would bates 7 still have his freedom of speech available to him, foul mouth and all? Probably not. More people should take SGT Gonzalez's message to heart and think long and hard about where we are all headed.
Oildale Rev. Here!!
First of all, I would like to clear up a thing or two. The man with the sticker on his pick up is going burn in the lake of fire! That Bates 7 smarty pants with his anti Jesus talk is gonna burn too. Yes, it's true, all of you so called Mary Worshipers and all of you Liberal Hippies have all got one foot in the fire and Jesus ain't gonna help you. This country was founded on the King James version my friends...and you better take a good look in the mirror cause you got a little demon on your chin....That war ain't about no Black Gold or land or freeing those devil loving Iraq's...it's about killing demons! Yes, that devil language they speak and those demon ears peering through those bags they wear on they're heads!! Someones got rid the the planet of those muhhamod ali's and start off fresh. Were just the country to take care of it too!! Russia or China can't do a darn thing to this country cause they can't afford a taxi to the airport! Don't be ashamed of killing a few Iraq's...they got in the way and you can't make a Holy omlette without ringing some chicken necks!! Amen!
Alright, let me say, as a Catholic myself. I didn't read the actual bible itself very much. I can see where someone would think that about us. We have our readings for mass all layed out, in a separate book. And, having attended Catholic school for 9 years, we had our religion books, with passages already in there. But, they do come from the bible, we don't make things up! It's all in how a person takes thier faith. There can be any person of any faith, who doesn't read the bible, it's not just one religion.
And, Oildale Rev, let me get this straight- it's not okay to honor Mary, the mother of God's only son, but it is okay to kill a few people, who you think are "in the way"? How dare you say that people who believe differently than you, have one foot in the fire. Has God spoken to you directly, and told you that???
The Oildale Reverend was a local mythical celeb of sorts on a short-lived podcast. He makes appearances here once in a while. He isn't me and I know his secret identity. But just so you know. Don't take him seriously. :)
Fightin' Farmer here:
all this relijus hoggin' reminds me of the time my cow Millie got all wrapped up in the chicken wire!
Do I's blame on the chickens? Does I blame all over ol' Millie? Myselfs? Ah corn shuck and a wheat stack, get over the blame folks, there's a big thing called LIFE hangin round you today! Grab yer boots and clean out yer barn fer gosh sakes...daylights burnin and there's chores to be done doin'! Mommas bakin a pie...and ya'll love pie...so get along and Momma'll slice a piece fer ya...
Why does this make him newsworthy at all? I mean yeah, he was a soldier and all, but there's a lot more soldiers that aren't on the news. I guess all they have to do is put a sticker on their car saying they fought in the war and they just might be in the front page! Give me a break...oh and go to the Dirty Spanglish show tonight!
:D
I read Oildale Rev's comment last night and I was laughing so hard my kids came from the other room just to see what was so funny.
Fightin' Farmer is purrrrty damn funny too. haahaha
**EVERYONE needs to go watch Dirty Spanglish tonight.
I really want to agree with jenraven on this one. After all, who am I to judge. I've never gone to war. I don't know what it does to a person to kill. However, I find it awfully hard to support our troops without supporting their mission. Over 650,000 Iraqis have died as a result of our invasion. Not to mention the 1 million plus who died from the sanctions we imposed or the 1/3 of a million who died in the first gulf war. How is it that we can cause so much suffering for the Other and still expect sympathy for our own based on the trauma they experience as a result of the damage they have done to the Other? Narcissism? Sounds about right to me. Let's not forget that he was trying to justify his actions by claiming that they were in the name of our freedom. Someone explain to me how killing Iraqis contributes to my freedom. I do have some feeling for those who were dragged into this war because signing up for military was their only chance to escape from poverty, but they can always choose to sit out an unjust war in the brig. If their pride forces them to participate in an unjust war, they can expect no sympathy from me. Besides, many in the military have been caught up in the jingoistic fever that swept through our nation following 9/11. Don't forget the British commander who left Iraq about a year ago complaining of the racist attitudes of many US soldiers. Don't believe him? I have my own reason to. Shortly before 9/11 I was in the process of signing up for the Navy to escape the poverty trap. They offered me nearly $60,000 as a sign up bonus. There was certainly a lot I could have done with 60k, but hearing my recruiter regaling the other recruits with tales of taking potshots at surrendering Iraqi soldiers (who were mostly conscripts) made me realize that there was no way that I could enter the military with my sense of morality intact. They guy with the decal should have thought about what he would be called to do before he signed up.
PS Here are some wonderfully germane song lyrics from Xiu Xiu's "Support Our Troops Oh"
Did you know you were going to shoot off the top of a four year old girl's head And look across her car-seat down into her skull
And see into her throat and did you know that her dad would say to you,
"Please sir, can I take her body home?" Oh wait, you totally did know... that that would happen
Cuz you're a jock who was too stupid and too greedy and too unmotivated to do anything else but still be the biggest and still do what other people tell you to do You did it to still be a winner You shot your grenade launcher into peoples windows and into the doors of peoples houses why should I care if you get killed?
Wow, I can't quit this comment thread! I just love it so much.
Now, John Martin, while I've singed the ruffles of some Catholics and asserted BOTH opinions & facts, I never attacked you personally. It just so happens, I'm a white guy with a stellar tan. ;) So find a way to state your feelings without getting so angry; that's what unintelligent people do.
As for being ignorant, I'm sorry but it's you who just broadcast ignorance:
"Catholics wrote the Bible homie!"
No, Catholics did not write the Bible. They did not even write the New Testament. I'm embarrassed for you, and I feel like I'm belittling you and I don't mean to - but man, get your facts straight if you feel like making statements like that.
[Begin Sidenote]
- For those of you educated Catholics who would argue the statement I just made, please understand that it's ridiculous to call the Apostle Peter the first "Pope", and you know it, so don't go flaming me for that. The established Catholic church is a branch of the Christian faith, and not the particular brand of Jesus the first Christians practiced. Okay? I'm not being outrageous.
[/End Sidenote]
Now John, I can see you're upset that I said Catholics don't read their bibles. Why? Are you Catholic? If so, do you read the 66 books amassed by King James in the 1611? A protestant, NOT a Catholic? Before him, there was a Geneva Bible, written by Puritans - also not Catholics. Do you even care who wrote it or who reads it? C'mon, it's all academic.
You didn't read my original statement very well, so go back and read it again and see what I was pointing out.
When I say Catholics don't read their bibles, I'm making a generalization. Yes, I understand there ARE Catholics who do read their bibles. I'm annoyed I have to stand up and acknowledge the obvious fact that when you're speaking about a group with billions of members in it, that you can't make a generalization and expect it to apply absolutely every one of them.
Wait, wait...I got it! They all breathe air! Ha! Guess what, MOST Catholics don't read their bibles. Okay? And I mean an overwhelming majority.
Go talk to some Catholics and you'll see I'm not insulting them. I'm not saying they're "bad" Christians either. It doesn't matter.
It's just that the Catholic Church spread Christianity to a LOT of illiterate people over the last 1000 years, and as a result, they've kinda molded their religious ceremonies and the education of their faith itself, around a central figure. (i.e. Priests) Catholics are used to receiving their religious education from the priesthood - NOT the bible.
Tammy reiterated this point with her comment. It's just how things are done with Catholics.
As for anyone saying the New Testament doesn't state anything about death in battle and it's status as a sin, I suggest you actually study the bible and learn what the differences between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are.
These are the principals of Christianity itself you know. Don't go knocking me for delivering your own dogma to you.
PS: ildale Rev, are one funny SOB. Thank you!
PS2: N.L. - Thanks for a fun debate topic.
thee thy thou tho...
eenie meenie minee mo...
Either way, though I think the guy's stand was courageous on some level.
Biblically speaking, he's right. Killing IS sin.
But he obviously doesn't care THAT much, because he's willing to go back and do it all over again.
So, clearly, this guy doesn't respect God's authority in his life.
Soooo...good move. But wake up bro and look at what you're REALLY saying. What's more important? American "freedom" or God's expectations for you?
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